"to attack the civilian population"? Hamas shoots rockets FIRST, and indiscriminately at Israeli homes. The IDF literally tries to evacuate buildings before bombing them. And to just entirely chalk off THREE THOUSAND rockets falling on israelis is not respecting their human right to safety. Still, I agree Israeli is in the wrong for overcompensated so harshly and israel has more ability to make changes first so they should---we must get rid of israel's right wing leadership. And stop right wing israelis from stealing land. They continue adding fuel to this conflict. I want the palestinians to have equal citizenship---that is a necessity to move forward. End the racist nation state laws. But we also cannot place the blame solely on Israelis and we cannot blow-off the threats Israelis face. That's just doing what right wingers do when they disregard the humanity of the Palestinians. Hamas' charter, the governing body of Gaza, literally calls for its members to kill Jews (not just Israelis). And that's just Hamas. Israel is quite literally surrounded by people who want to kill them. You just cannot separate that from the security-state oppression Israel inflicts on Palestinians. Nothing is simple.
---By mid-September 1981, car bombs were exploding regularly in Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut and other Lebanese cities. One went off in the Fakhani quarter of Beirut on October 1, killing eighty-three people and wounding three hundred, including many women who were trapped in a fire in a clothing factory owned by the PLO. Another one exploded next to the PLO headquarters in Sidon, killing twenty-three. In December 1981 alone, eighteen bombs in cars or on motorcycles, bicycles, or donkeys blew up near PLO offices or Palestinian concentrations, causing many scores of deaths.
A new and unknown organization calling itself the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners took responsibility for all of these incidents. The explosives were now packed in Ariel laundry powder bags so that if the cars were stopped at roadblocks, the cargo would look like innocent goods. The Israelis in some cases enlisted women to drive, to reduce the likelihood of the cars being caught on the way to the target zone.
The car bombs were developed in the IDF’s Special Operations Executive (Maarach Ha-Mivtsaim Ha-Meyuchadim), and they involved the use of one of the earliest generations of drones. These drones would relay the beam that would set off the detonation mechanism of the device. One of Dagan’s local agents would drive the car to the target, under aerial or land observation, park it there, and then leave. When the observers identified the moment they were waiting for, they’d push a button and the car would explode.
Sharon hoped that these operations would provoke Arafat into attacking Israel, which could then respond by invading Lebanon, or at least make the PLO retaliate against the Phalange, whereupon Israel would be able to leap in great force to the defense of the Christians.
The Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners also began attacking Syrian installations in Lebanon, and it even claimed responsibility for operations against IDF units. “We were never connected to activities against our own forces,” said Dagan, “but the front took responsibility in order to create credibility, as if it was operating against all of the foreign forces in Lebanon.”
Yasser Arafat was not hoodwinked by this ploy. He accused the Mossad of being behind the blasts and the “front.” That was not quite right, either, however. The Mossad was in fact vehemently opposed to what Ben-Gal and Dagan were doing.
“With Sharon’s backing,” one Mossad officer of the time said, “terrible things were done. I am no vegetarian, and I supported and even participated in some of the assassination operations Israel carried out. But we are speaking here about mass killing for killing’s sake, to sow chaos and alarm, among civilians, too. Since when do we send donkeys carrying bombs to blow up in marketplaces?”
Another Mossad man who was in Lebanon at the time said, “I saw from a distance one of the cars blowing up and demolishing an entire street. We were teaching the Lebanese how effective a car bomb could be. Everything that we saw later with Hezbollah sprang from what they saw had happened after these operations.”---
By 1989, Israel had been supporting Hamas for years.
I highly recommend everyone watch the YouTube channel Sulha ("Reconciliation"). It usually is conversations between israelis and palestinians and the community includes people on the ground, on both sides (and otherwise), having productive conversations and educating each other. They're going to be having a conversation with a Palestinian from Gaza on Tuesday. Please check it out.
Last year you declared yourself in favor of looting small shops, in the US, but then you were ecstatic that the official Star Wars twitter account supported Black Lives Matter so I guess looting Rodeo Drive was a no, [https://nonsite.org/the-triumph-of-black-lives-matter-and-neoliberal-redemption/] and now you're supporting Palestinian demands for actually existing bourgeois democracy.
A binational state was always the only just solution after 1945, and the Israelis in their idiocy have made it inevitable. But the narcissism of American 'leftists' hasn't helped a bit.
"to attack the civilian population"? Hamas shoots rockets FIRST, and indiscriminately at Israeli homes. The IDF literally tries to evacuate buildings before bombing them. And to just entirely chalk off THREE THOUSAND rockets falling on israelis is not respecting their human right to safety. Still, I agree Israeli is in the wrong for overcompensated so harshly and israel has more ability to make changes first so they should---we must get rid of israel's right wing leadership. And stop right wing israelis from stealing land. They continue adding fuel to this conflict. I want the palestinians to have equal citizenship---that is a necessity to move forward. End the racist nation state laws. But we also cannot place the blame solely on Israelis and we cannot blow-off the threats Israelis face. That's just doing what right wingers do when they disregard the humanity of the Palestinians. Hamas' charter, the governing body of Gaza, literally calls for its members to kill Jews (not just Israelis). And that's just Hamas. Israel is quite literally surrounded by people who want to kill them. You just cannot separate that from the security-state oppression Israel inflicts on Palestinians. Nothing is simple.
https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Kill-First-Targeted-Assassinations/dp/1400069718
---By mid-September 1981, car bombs were exploding regularly in Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut and other Lebanese cities. One went off in the Fakhani quarter of Beirut on October 1, killing eighty-three people and wounding three hundred, including many women who were trapped in a fire in a clothing factory owned by the PLO. Another one exploded next to the PLO headquarters in Sidon, killing twenty-three. In December 1981 alone, eighteen bombs in cars or on motorcycles, bicycles, or donkeys blew up near PLO offices or Palestinian concentrations, causing many scores of deaths.
A new and unknown organization calling itself the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners took responsibility for all of these incidents. The explosives were now packed in Ariel laundry powder bags so that if the cars were stopped at roadblocks, the cargo would look like innocent goods. The Israelis in some cases enlisted women to drive, to reduce the likelihood of the cars being caught on the way to the target zone.
The car bombs were developed in the IDF’s Special Operations Executive (Maarach Ha-Mivtsaim Ha-Meyuchadim), and they involved the use of one of the earliest generations of drones. These drones would relay the beam that would set off the detonation mechanism of the device. One of Dagan’s local agents would drive the car to the target, under aerial or land observation, park it there, and then leave. When the observers identified the moment they were waiting for, they’d push a button and the car would explode.
Sharon hoped that these operations would provoke Arafat into attacking Israel, which could then respond by invading Lebanon, or at least make the PLO retaliate against the Phalange, whereupon Israel would be able to leap in great force to the defense of the Christians.
The Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners also began attacking Syrian installations in Lebanon, and it even claimed responsibility for operations against IDF units. “We were never connected to activities against our own forces,” said Dagan, “but the front took responsibility in order to create credibility, as if it was operating against all of the foreign forces in Lebanon.”
Yasser Arafat was not hoodwinked by this ploy. He accused the Mossad of being behind the blasts and the “front.” That was not quite right, either, however. The Mossad was in fact vehemently opposed to what Ben-Gal and Dagan were doing.
“With Sharon’s backing,” one Mossad officer of the time said, “terrible things were done. I am no vegetarian, and I supported and even participated in some of the assassination operations Israel carried out. But we are speaking here about mass killing for killing’s sake, to sow chaos and alarm, among civilians, too. Since when do we send donkeys carrying bombs to blow up in marketplaces?”
Another Mossad man who was in Lebanon at the time said, “I saw from a distance one of the cars blowing up and demolishing an entire street. We were teaching the Lebanese how effective a car bomb could be. Everything that we saw later with Hezbollah sprang from what they saw had happened after these operations.”---
By 1989, Israel had been supporting Hamas for years.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/09/opinion/an-alternative-to-the-plo-fundamentalists.html
I highly recommend everyone watch the YouTube channel Sulha ("Reconciliation"). It usually is conversations between israelis and palestinians and the community includes people on the ground, on both sides (and otherwise), having productive conversations and educating each other. They're going to be having a conversation with a Palestinian from Gaza on Tuesday. Please check it out.
Last year you declared yourself in favor of looting small shops, in the US, but then you were ecstatic that the official Star Wars twitter account supported Black Lives Matter so I guess looting Rodeo Drive was a no, [https://nonsite.org/the-triumph-of-black-lives-matter-and-neoliberal-redemption/] and now you're supporting Palestinian demands for actually existing bourgeois democracy.
A binational state was always the only just solution after 1945, and the Israelis in their idiocy have made it inevitable. But the narcissism of American 'leftists' hasn't helped a bit.